virginia is a right-to-work state, and they have some of the worst enginducational outcomes the country and finland, an example of educational opportunity, is pro union and a unionized educational system. >> it should not be about charter versus district. charter schools are public schools and district schools are public schools and like the movie said, one out of five charters are successful. so, neither system is perfect. we need to sit around a table and talk about fixing our public school system as a whole. >> a good point. >> clayton: we come up with band-aid solution for education and we have known we had the problem for 40 years and the president spoke about it and saying, we don't need to be second or third to anyone in the world for math, science, reading. >> alisyn: and we are much lower than that, by the way. >> clayton: 23 on the list. >> alisyn: in the movie they make a compelling case it is because of the teachers unions, they protected incompetent teachers and showed how hard it is to fire teachers for reprehensible behavior and they have rubber room where teachers are pa